The Church History Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just dropped a revelatory bomb on the Mormon history community and we’re gunna talk about it. John Taylor (prophet 1880-1887) wrote a revelation saying that the new and everlasting covenant is actually “everlasting” and cannot be revoked or abrogated. However, the prophet after Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, wrote the First Manifesto bringing the church into compliance with the law of the land. However, plural marriages continued to be performed. The Reed Smoot hearings turned the eyes of the nation to the kingdom of god in Deseret and every clandestine plural marriage put a lie to the Manifesto. Church leaders are excommunicated and it leads to the formation of the Fundamentalist Latter-day Saints. The church has suppressed this revelation in its vaults for nearly a century while openly denying that it even existed. After that we chat about more secrets hiding in plain sight with the movie National Treasure. We wrap with happy news about diabetes therapy and a gaggle of listener mail.
Show Notes:
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/3aec2ea6-fdeb-4866-9529-47e27f9cd3b9/0/0?lang=eng
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/record/71550f40-40e2-4f22-a513-d9efed66649a/0?view=browse
https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/lds-church-authority-and-new-plural-marriages-1890-1904/
https://mormonr.org/qnas/vFgD6f/john_taylors_1886_revelation/research#re-fbkJxk-qnXgKg
https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1886-Revelation-article.pdf
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/John_Taylor%27s_statements_regarding_polygamy
https://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2025/06/john-taylor-and-the-1886-revelation/
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/person/john-taylor
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/first-annual-message-first-term
https://josephsmithfoundation.org/john-taylors-last-days-vision-1877/
https://www.fromthedesk.org/john-taylor-revelations/#_ftn1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JYcVJKnfmg
https://rsc.byu.edu/prophets-apostles-last-dispensation/john-whittaker-taylor
https://historicalgeneralconferences.weebly.com/john-w-taylor.html
https://tokensandsigns.org/betrayed-for-loyalty-john-w-taylor-and-polygamy/
https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/John-W.-Taylor-Trial.pdf
https://sunstone.org/john-w-woolley-as-a-highly-trusted-mormon-from-september-1886-to-december-1913/
https://mormonfundamentalism.com/history/lorin-c-woolley-and-his-council-of-seven-friends/
https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/MF0273.pdf
https://mormonfundamentalism.com/1886-revelation-importance/
https://www.fromthedesk.org/joseph-white-musser-mormon-fundamentalist/
https://prophetsseersandrevelators.wordpress.com/2022/09/01/third-manifesto/
https://www.intermountainhistories.org/items/show/704
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/first-annual-message-first-term
MOGP: National Treasure: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368891/?ref_=tt_rvi_i_7
Where it’s streaming: https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/national-treasure
Information about Charles Carroll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Carroll_of_Carrollton#
Explore the Knights Templar: https://www.centreofexcellence.com/the-knights-templar/#
Happy News: A new diabetes treatment could free people from insulin injections: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/type-1-diabetes-cell-therapy-insulin
Other appearances: Chris Shelton interviewed us in the beginning of a series on Mormonism. Here’s the most recent episode on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsofor4IgR8&list=PLGrPM1Pg2h72ADIuv8eYmzrJ-ppLOlw_g&index=65&t=3640s
And here is our discussion about Mormon succession https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxjD7ucajI&list=PLGrPM1Pg2h72ADIuv8eYmzrJ-ppLOlw_g&index=56
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Let’s talk leaders. What qualities does a great leader have? What’s the difference between a good and great leader? And we talk about three leaders in history. In our Sword of Laman segment, we cover the next few chapters of the Givens’ book. And to clear your palette, we share a news article about a charitable move Bill Gates is making. Enjoy!
Show Notes:
What is Ethical Leadership and Why is it Important?: https://professional.dce.harvard.edu/blog/what-is-ethical-leadership-and-why-is-it-important/#The-6-Main-Principles-of-Ethical-Leadership
What Great Leaders do that Good Leaders Don’t: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougsundheim/2023/04/13/what-great-leaders-do-that-good-leaders-dont/
Elizabeth I: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_I#
Queen Elizabeth I: The controversies and accomplishments: https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/queen-elizabeth-l-0011092
Elizabeth I, Religious Questions and the fate of Mary, Queen of Scots: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Elizabeth-I/Religious-questions-and-the-fate-of-Mary-Queen-of-Scots
Bloody Mary: The Marriage, Reign, and Death of a Queen of England: https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/bloody-mary-marriage-reign-and-death-queen-england-004122
Catherine the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great#
Legacy of Catherine the Great: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Catherine-the-Great/Legacy
Imperial Crown of Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_crown_of_Russia
The Story of Catherine the Great: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-catherine-great-180974863/
Hypocrite, reactionary, usurper, sex maniac: is Catherine the Great’s reputation justified?: https://www.historyextra.com/period/georgian/catherine-great-russian-empress-reputation-justified/
10 Reasons Lincoln was Secretly a Terrible President: https://listverse.com/2013/12/05/10-reasons-lincoln-was-secretly-a-terrible-president/
5 Ugly Facts about Abraham Lincoln that No One Likes to Talk About: https://www.moviemaker.com/abraham-lincoln/
The Great Writ, North and South: https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/the-great-writ-north-and-south/
Everything Wrong with the Lincoln Administration: https://www.libertarianism.org/everything-wrong-presidents/everything-wrong-lincoln-administration
Happy News:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4qg5gzgzxo
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Not only is it Pride month but it’s also been almost 10 years since the Mormon church issued their policy against the children of LGBTQIA+ parents. We take a look at the effects that policy had, the increasingly draconian measures the government is taking, and we read between the lines of Mormon church policies. We also look at the measures people are taking to improve the lives of LGBTQIA+. For Media of Great Price, we watched the lovely 2018 movie Rafiki about two lesbian women in Kenya. And we end with good news out of Paris about a new monument. Happy Pride Month!
Show notes:
https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/why-utah-no-utopia-lgbt-equality-despite-progress
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/the-utah-compromise-is-a-dangerous-lgbt-trojan-horse-db790ad3b69e/
https://kutv.com/news/local/group-holds-mass-resignation-from-lds-church-in-slc-saturday
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/tag/good-news/
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-nelson-handbook-change
https://mormonmentalhealthassoc.org/resources/position-statements/november-5th-policy-reversal/
https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/HB0228.html
https://le.utah.gov/~2025/bills/static/HB0521.html
https://le.utah.gov/~2025/bills/static/HB0283.html
https://le.utah.gov/~2024/bills/static/HB0316.html
https://le.utah.gov/~2024/bills/static/HB0527.html
https://wheatandtares.org/2017/11/04/the-policy-remember-remember-the-5th-of-november/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_the_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/2/17/23604347/conversion-therapy-ban-lgbt-utah-bill/
https://www.newsweek.com/utah-lgbtq-conversion-therapy-law-1483039
https://archive.org/details/Homosexuality1981/page/n3/mode/2up?view=theater
https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3144035&itype=CMSID
https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/index.php?title=File:Re-_Gay_Couples_and_Baby_Blessings-2015-07-21.pdf
https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/2/28/Re-_Gay_Couples_and_Baby_Blessings-2015-07-21.pdf
https://protectldschildren.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_SB_296_(2015)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges
https://www.scotusblog.com/cases/case-files/obergefell-v-hodges/
https://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/14-556_Major_Religious_Organizations.pdf
https://fedsoc.org/contributors/robin-wilson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26xMnkZCxoc
https://kutv.com/news/local/group-holds-mass-resignation-from-lds-church-in-slc-saturday
https://equalityutah.org/advocacy/?search_year=2024#tracker
MOGP: Rafiki: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8286894/
Where it’s streaming: https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/rafiki-2018
Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafiki_(film)
Happy News:
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We’re talking about the bane of the Q15’s existence! Doubts of the members. We discuss the terrible way they are dealt with which leads into the second installment of the Givens’ trilogy — The Crucible of Doubt — Reflections on the Quest for Faith. Following that we have some good news out of El Paso where the Consulate General of Mexico gave out free measles vaccines to children and adults in El Paso, Texas.
Show Notes:
Jana Riess: Who is leaving the LDS church? Eight key survey findings: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/08/jana-riess-who-is-leaving-lds/
When Doubts and Questions Arise by Adam Kotter, Ensign March 2015: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2015/03/when-doubts-and-questions-arise?lang=eng
Christ is Risen: Faith in him will move mountains, by Russell M. Nelson, April 2021 General Conference talk: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2021/04/49nelson?lang=eng
Happy News:
https://www.ktsm.com/news/consulate-general-of-mexico-in-el-paso-to-offer-free-measles-vaccines/
Other appearances: Chris Shelton interviewed us in the beginning of a series on Mormonism. Here’s the most recent episode on ”What’s with Mormon Underwear?” https://youtu.be/1s2h71-UfP8
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